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Just wondering if this is a known issue with a known cause and solution?

I have a 1909 Model 1894 that the link plate won't close fully, even though the breech block does. The breechblock/bolt closes securely and the lever does click into place, and the gun works fine. It is just that it looks like crap with the back end of the link plate hanging out the bottom of the receiver about 1/4".

I had it out to the range several weeks back and it was working fine even with that plate not closing completely. (It was all fine until the magazine wouldn't feed . . . because there was no pin holding the magazine tube to the hanger, and the tube moved forward. But that's a different problem )

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It's all in the details.

I took it to a gunsmith today and in about a half hour and $75 he had it fixed (I still have stock fitting work to do).

The main part was the lever was bent. A vise, a big hammer and 40 years experience fixed that.
Then replace one missing screw and two wrong screws, and grind down another that was too long and he was done.

I'm out $75 but I am happy!

When I bought this (at auction) I planned to refinish and fit the replacement stock and then sell it on. Now I'm looking at that nice hex barrel and thinking it looks almost as nice as my 1893 Marlin and I'm keeping it!

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When??????

Rad

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cool - so you got it fixed - what was the cause of the problem ?

Mostly the bent lever. The handle end was hitting the stop before the working end moved everything into proper alignment. Then filing down the too long carrier screw, replacing the missing link pin retaining screw and the wrong finger lever pin retaining screw were mostly fine tuning the internal geometry.

Replacing the wrong magazine tube retaining pin doesn't affect the working, but probably would affect accuracy as the correct (longer) screw passes right through the diameter of the plug and mag tube and seats in a stopped hole in the bottom of the barrel, preventing the magazine tube from flexing from side to side when the gun is fired.

I thought that wouldn't matter since the magazine wouldn't flex until the bullet had left the barrel, but I guess there is 'barrel resonance' as soon as the bullet leaves the chamber, so presumably there would also be 'magazine resonance' as well if the magazine weren't fixed to the barrel. I guess fixing the two together would also help reduce barrel resonance. So a double hit on accuracy if they are allowed to flex independently.

I have to glue in a piece of hardwood where I cut the tang slots in the stock too deep. Do a little fine fit-and-cut-and-repeat until the stock to receiver gap is closed. Then I can re-drill the hole for the tang screw.

Then out to the range to make some holes in paper!

Went by the road into the range yesterday. The trucks are still running and churning it to mud. They don't even have the decency to drive on the high spots left by the truck ahead of them. The height from the road to the rims is more than the distance from the road to my frame! Once I get into one of the ruts my car would be bottomed out. (They are hauling in dirt to build a berm to give us a 300 yard range.)

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no i meant the source of the problem , what caused it to be bent in the first place ? did it come to you that way ?

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