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Author: | NebrHogger [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
Possibly a Rook Rifle intended for thinning out those pesky rooks ( Brit crows) in the back yard. Is that a receiver sight? I'll check tomorrow after I scoop the sidewalk - I believe this is a viable project for shooting. Those rooks best be checking the fine print in their life insurance policies! SW |
Author: | oldernavy [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
The image is too dark to make out any detail. Could you possibly take some more pic and compensate for the light background. You need shots of the rear end of the bolt too and a top view. It kind of looks like a Gras rifle. |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
All righty then! Just scooped the driveway & sidewalk & shuffled across the street to do likewise for our elderly neighbor, Minnie. Had a good workout ( had to be 2 tons of snow, minimum) and a shower & then hit my reference books. The 297/300 is in fact a rook rifle round. It's listed in Barnes' "Cartridges of the World" and Nonte's "Cartridge Conversions". Both are necessary to any gun nut's library! Mr Nonte shows making it from 22 Hornet brass. Trim to 1.69" and "expand to hold .300" balls or bullets". A cheep way to proceed would be grab a set of Lee 7,35 Carcano dies & use the .300 expander on trimmed Hornet brass. Nonte lists 5 grains of Unique with an 80 grain ball. I believe you could dip it full of black - add a wax milk carton wad & seat a ball on that. Look around Grafs or Buffalo Arms for .300 round balls or mold for same. Then get your rook call & show them how the rat chews cheese! This will be a fun little rifle for you! If you ever tire of it.... SW |
Author: | KimFella [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:20 pm ] | ||
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Author: | oldernavy [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
That was just a guess based solely on the shape of the bolt handle. That is why a view of the cocking piece and front part of the bolt and side view of the action is necessary. It could just as well be an early mauser or Chassepot.?? |
Author: | KimFella [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
Graduated 0 - 80.jpg [ 30.26 KiB | Viewed 11849 times ] I Know. Crappy photography. The graduations go from 0 to 80, although the peep itself doesn't reach the top or the bottom. It goes from about 10 to about 60. And anywhere below 40, the fixed iron notched sight blocks the view. Model 19.jpg [ 28.88 KiB | Viewed 11849 times ] Whatever make it is, it appears to be a model 19? '19' stamped on the frame in line with the windage nuts, and '1' and '9' stamped in the upper corners of the frame. |
Author: | KimFella [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:03 pm ] |
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Fold-down sight.jpg [ 20.01 KiB | Viewed 11849 times ] Two notched iron rear sights. The lower one is fixed and the taller on is infront of it and hinged to fold down or up. Two rear sights.jpg [ 34.6 KiB | Viewed 11849 times ] |
Author: | KimFella [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:47 pm ] |
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Top View Bolt closed and bolt open Top view - bolt open.jpg [ 43.48 KiB | Viewed 11848 times ] Top view - bolt closed.jpg [ 47.08 KiB | Viewed 11848 times ] |
Author: | KimFella [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:49 pm ] |
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Side view, bolt open and a better view of the bolt face Side view - bolt open.jpg [ 56.07 KiB | Viewed 11848 times ] Bolt face.jpg [ 34.48 KiB | Viewed 11848 times ] |
Author: | KimFella [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:51 pm ] |
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And a view of the cocking piece turned to the side. It will turn to either side Cocking piece turned to the side.jpg [ 73.41 KiB | Viewed 11848 times ] |
Author: | oldernavy [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
Thanks for the pics. They are a great help. I will get back to you as soon as I sort through the usual suspects. Anyone else can join in the chase. |
Author: | oldernavy [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
Well, I checked my meager resources and I got nothing. It looks like a mannlicher design, but someone more experienced in this area should be able to give more information. I suspect this was a purpose built for training and target practice. |
Author: | KimFella [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:12 am ] |
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Author: | KimFella [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
Success! Once I took the trigger off I could see that the extractor was accessible through a slot in the bottom of the receiver. If I held the tip of my tongue just so, and with j.u.s.t a little pressure I could press and wiggle the extractor through that slot until it pushed up into the slot in the bolt, and then the bolt would move far enough back that the extractor fell through the slot and the bolt was free to pull out. Bolt, extractor and extractor slot.jpg [ 62.02 KiB | Viewed 11828 times ] Extractor slot top view.jpg [ 67 KiB | Viewed 11828 times ] I still need to find out what rifle I have. If it is a collectible I shouldn't mess with it (not likely going to try to 'restore' it) any more, but if it isn't, or if I never find out, then I'd want to clean it back to bare metal and then re-'rust-finish' it. It looks nice with brown metal. A blued finish might just be a bit ostentatious. The stock looks pretty good, with some character dings and pannache scratches. Just strip it and refinish. Unfortunately the camera batteries died before I could get better pictures of the various stampings on the metal parts. |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:49 am ] |
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Heck, I'd just clean it up well & declare jihadh on rooks! SW |
Author: | KimFella [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:56 pm ] |
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Author: | NebrHogger [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Unknown military small bore rifle |
I had the Donnely book & was underwhelmed - gave it away. The not to scale drawings are a turn off as are other features. Check around online for "Cartridge Conversions" by Nonte. It's very much better & I highly recommend it! That will be a fun little rifle! SW |
Author: | KimFella [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:40 pm ] | |||
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