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 Post subject: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:04 pm 
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About 10 or 12 years ago I bought two Marlin store brand 22s since I was hoping to get one of every variety and the price was right at a local gun show = very cheep. In the end that was too big a project & I gave it up. So I put the 2 rifles in with my junker parts rifle pile in a basement storage space.

Fast forward to last week when I was after a certain part & there they were. This Westpoint (store brand of Cotter & Co hardware chain) is actually in excellent condition. Took it out for a function test & ripped a couple mags through it w/o issue.

I had a Weaver K3 on another rifle & pulled it for use here. Scored a set of $7 rings at wally & I'm in biz now! I have one of the Tasco "shot saver" bore sighters & now it's time to go shoot chin whiskers off Amish grasshoppers! ;)

And for Doc... what distinguishes a K3-F from a standard K3? SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:02 pm 
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thats a fun one - im not adverse to your original quest just never thought to try that but in looking the possibilities are overwhelming since these 'store brands' were very prolific , i would not know where to start a project like that - a single store ? a single brand ? its still overwhelming - things were so much different pre 68 , life was good - we were still free americans , this is all BS with the attempts to restrict our 2A

they are now going after the 1A as well if you read of our candidate for lt gov that wrote amazon a letter that should sink him [save for the far left socialists among us] there was a time when they were in the closet - we need to put them back there or deport them ,


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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:08 pm 
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I was just going for store brands made by Marlin, but there were so many - some with very limited production and some sold only in Canada there was just no way to get them all. The other in the storage space was Ranger = early Sears store brand model 34. A single shot, cock on close 22. Very robust and nice walnut stock. Haven't tried for accuracy with it yet. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:28 am 
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Hi Hogger!

Could you post a pic of the turrets with the caps off? I got a sneakin suspicion here...

Just got in a K-12 with a C-3-1 suffix, and no El-Paso roll stamp.
To briefly summarize, Weaver shared a trait with Marlin... nothing was ever thrown away or scrapped or recycled. It was all and always saleable goods....

I'll know more with a look at the turrets.

That is a way cool stock! I likes it! I got a set of Weaver 1" rimfire rings around here somewhere. Just hafta find them. I'd kinda like to locate them before the next 60-B K-3 gets here :-? That bbl band was at one time a sought after item....

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:49 pm 
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All righty then! Here's pics of the scope turrets. Caps are magnetic.

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I mentioned I found two rifles back in the storage space. Here's the other - a Ranger model 34 by Marlin. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

Oh - and while putting bullets back on the shelf last night, I noticed what looks very much like another 22 rifle behind a pile of Carcano parts guns. More on that when I have time to look at it. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:15 pm 
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That's what I thought they would be.
More on this later when I can get my hands on Stroebel.
Almost definitely a post '78 scope.
Magnetic caps are a new one on me....

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:58 pm 
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Another nice stock. Is it adult sized? Thought it was a self cocker at first. The T-handle on it is nice.

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
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It seems to be intended for adults - fits me fairly well. Cock on close for that one. Nice walnut stock, too. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:54 pm 
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why cant i 'find' such things ? in storage areas would be fine but unless they grow like mushrooms im afraid no joy in my storage areas , but it would be wonderful


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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:10 pm 
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Maybe I have too much junk? Nah! That can't be it! ;) :bigrin:

When I was working, I'd buy stuff like store brand 22s for low $ and set them aside to be played with later. The big problem was railroading doesn't have days off & I'd get tired & flat forget about stuff like these 22s when I had a free moment a few months later.

It's kinda fun to discover things. I have time now and can go play with them. Burned up half a brick with the Westpoint murdering pine cones already. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:15 am 
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For some reason I had been thinking the El-Paso roll stamp had been dropped in '78. It may have been earlier than that.
I don't have much to go on here. Stroebel is silent on production codes and dates.
What I do know for sure is that the micro-track turret system was introduced in the new T series scopes in '78. The following year saw this turret system used across the entire scope line...

Your scope looks almost like a Micro-track turret frame with the older finger adjustable turrets. The micro track required a coin (ideally a U.S. nickel) to make adjustments with. Could well be what it was~ using up the old style turrets on hand to keep costs down.

I haven't had much time to go through scopes. Work's been a hectic frantic pace lately. Will try and make time tomorrow night to get a few turret and roll stamp pix up. Incidentally, I'll have to go to the P/O Wed afternoon and pick up that new to me K-3 60B with the post reticle...

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:20 pm 
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A search on boink turned up that "F" was likely the last suffix letter code of that system. Still not a lot to go on- no date codes...

I wonder why the El-Paso mark was dropped. Nothing wrong with the USA roll mark~ but still not the almost romantic charm of El-Paso.

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
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Only way you can have to much stuff is by not believing that he who dies with the most stuff wins. :Dbounce:


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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
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agree with that in so many ways yet ...i been trying so hard to glean away the culls , just cant part with some cause they are so much fun in the moment i refind them in my cabinet , it has been a summer for friday frolics and although i will mis this one i will pick up next week ,
gota TGIF day this friday with coworkers and friends to enjoy - then grandkids for the weekend again , oh well - life is short grab the ring as you go round


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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:49 am 
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K-3 got here o.k.

Gonna get a lil pic heavy here...

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Not a lot different from hogger's sample.

El-Paso/Patent rollstamp.
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Turrets are twins. Caps ain't magnetic though. Feels like there's a tensioner in there to prevent a loose cap from escaping under recoil.

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Here's what make's her special:

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Not sure what number reticle this is. It sure as heck ain't a #4, which I'll get up in the next few days for any interested inclinations...

Here's what I think is an early micro track turret on my k-4-1:

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Got more camera work to do, too, for more roll stamp marks...

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:03 am 
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I was going to say German #4 but I don't think so now. Maybe Weaver's in house post & crosshair? I get along with those but greatly prefer a very fine conventional crosshair.

And I should have said steel scope caps rather than 'magnetic'. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
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Got the scope fine tuned at the range today & was getting one hole groups @ 25 yards which = minute of prairie dog! I rally like the fine crosshairs on the K-3F! SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:03 am 
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NebrHogger wrote:
Got the scope fine tuned at the range today & was getting one hole groups @ 25 yards which = minute of prairie dog! I rally like the fine crosshairs on the K-3F! SW




I think you and I have pretty much the same scope in the fine cross hair K-3.

Here's a few reticles with some opinionated commentary :p

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Vertical picket post and square cross post reticle in the new to me K-3.
Subtends about 8" at 50 yds between the horizontal posts. Should be minute of brisket at 100.
This reticle takes a lot of getting used to, and was likely designed for much younger eyes than mine.

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Tapered post and fine crosshair. This is referred to as the #4 in late 70's Weaver promotional material. It is a lot easier to use than the picket post type above.

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Fine cross-hairs in my other K-3. This is the reticle that works best for me. I have an etched mil-dot reticle in another non-weaver that is almost as easy to use, but this is the one I grew up with, and keep coming back to, sooner or later....

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Roll stamp after the El Paso mark was dropped. This is just one variation. There are many.

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The picket post reticle K-3 shoots like this at 12 meters. 5 RWS Meister 8.2 gr. about 620 fps.

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
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I like the tapered post & crosshair but wouldn't pay more for one. My closest friend used to call the other 'fencepost' & crosshair. Which is largely how I look at it, too. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Westpoint 22 rifle
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:07 am 
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B.I.L. stopped by today with an armload....

... of moose meat, walleye, ducks and I don't know what else. For me, there's most of a 100 ct box of Super X 40 gr RN in the old red plastic box. These I like! Came close to maxxing the bdt with them so long ago. They are tight enough to get back into the head-shots hunting mode. All B.I.L.'s should be like this! :bigrin:

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