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 Post subject: M1A's
PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:26 pm 
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As long as there is one for Garand pictures, here is one for M1A's

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NM match sights, double pillar bedded, match trigger, Kreiger barrel. One sweet shooting rifle.


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:34 pm 
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Ok, sounds good to me.

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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Here's mine set up with a 3rd gen mount & Springfiled 6X rangefinding scope

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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I want one of those so bad.
Maybe around tax time

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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I'll get you a good deal on one :bigrin:

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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im game , ive switched scopes to the leatherwood but this is the photo i have ......springfeild M1A1 and military walnut stock [for dressup occaasions - yes i do have the upper handguard as well , and ill get it switched soon]these are well worth the saving and effort to find - it would be my ultimate go-to rifle

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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How has the ART scope worked out for you? I've been meaning to ask but keep forgetting.

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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ive been so tied up with helping at the range that i think i helped in sighting in perhaps 200 scopes , not one of them belonged to me , ive yet to get it to the range ,

it is mounted , i had to pick up a riser to clear the rear sight , but i think its gonna be just fine , ill shoot a photo soon and post it ,

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im liking the new setup a lot - looking forward to warm weather


and ill post when i get it to the range and sighted in


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:49 pm 
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Hi,

Is it true that the early Springfield Armory M1As were made up using M1 receivers and surplus GI M14 parts? If so, are those early rifles more desirable than what is being offered today?

Next question: If an M1A could be made from an existing M1 receiver, what needs to be done to the receiver?

Thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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I think they were surplus parts until they ran out. Now they have to produce new barrels & it has driven the price up.

Don't know on the second question I've got no clue

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:22 pm 
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Richard Sheckler wrote:
Hi,

Is it true that the early Springfield Armory M1As were made up using M1 receivers and surplus GI M14 parts? If so, are those early rifles more desirable than what is being offered today?

Next question: If an M1A could be made from an existing M1 receiver, what needs to be done to the receiver?
Richard

No, neither is true. The length of the receiver, and the bolt is approx 3/8 of an inch shorter. Who ever gave you that story is yarn spinning with no basis of fact. You could not convert an M1 into a M1A either. You going to cut, shorten, and weld the receiver?It is not only a length issue, but the whole left side is different, and the receiver leg insides on the Garand had a purpose...to hold and guide the clip. There were also attachments in front of the receiver. There was the BM59 an Italian rifle that was chambered in 7.62 , but that was not made from a Garand either.


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:59 am 
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...M-14man comes thru again... :bigrin: :D :bigrin: :D :bigrin: :D great info.... ;)........you da man... :bigrin:

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
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Thanks for your replies.

I wasn't looking to run down anyone who gave me misinformation. I wanted to know more about the differences between the M1A and the M1, and where the receivers for the M1A came from.


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:37 pm 
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Once they decided to make the M1A commercially, they designed investment cast molds based on the blueprints of the milled receivers.I didn't expect you to confront the teller, but I wonder sometimes how these rumors get around when they are obviously different if one has visual access to both. I realize that you were asking an honest question, not knowing the answer. Who ever informed you though converted that mis-knowledge to a statement of probability. These commercial investment cast receivers did have surplus GI M14 parts in the beginning until the parts started getting hard to get.


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:12 pm 
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and this is the key to the answer if you are in any way looking at an older M1A , the GI parts kits everything but the receiver are much desired [would love to have one myself]

but the receiver on an M14 is FA and as such is a machine gun - then & now , every other part includeing the bits that controled it are fair game , as long as you dont have an original receiver ,

any reweld would be suspect in my book as the prison sentance is quite long and in spite of the fact that murderers -rapists - child molesters - and drugies get suspended or paroled , you can bet your a$$ will be in jail if you have a machine gun , after all your potential is far worse than their reality


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:52 am 
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Thanks! Were any of the early M1As built with forged receivers?

I'm really looking for a subjective opinion regarding the best example to look for at a show or at one of the on-line gun auctions. Would like to become educated.

A friend proudly showed me his newly acquired 'M14' he picked up at a gun show in Toledo. 'Isn't that a purrty one?," he asked me. As I looked at it, the fine stamped print 'MADE IN CHINA' caught my eye. I told him it sure was 'purrty', and he was pleased. It was pretty.

I had mixed feelings about the rifle having been made in China. I also did not know it wasn't an M14. I didn't know much of anything about it, or any other M14 or M1A.

On another blog site, a post mentioned the strength of the forged receivers and bolts in the GI M1 in comparison to the cast receivers of the M1A. I have three M1s, and think they are fine battle rifles. I carried an M1 while standing watch in the Far East. (We were issued M1s or 1911s in the USN)

I agree there is misinformation about these rifles.


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:29 am 
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I saw an older Springfield at a show yesterday for $950.00, that the was the best price I have seen on one lately.

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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:31 pm 
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Some of the commercial receivers were forged, and not cast. I believe LMR and Smith made forged receivers.The Fulton website http://www.fulton-armory.com/FAQ.htm#M14 has a good analysis on the Chinese guns, and their receivers were excellent. It was the add on parts, barrel and bolt that were less than desirable.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14S_Eval.htm


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 Post subject: Re: M1A's
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:58 pm 
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i think you would be very happy with a norinco[chinese] the rifles were made well and ive not heard anything bad about them ,

having said that ......im like you , i needed an american name on my M14 type rifle so i bought springfeild ,

if i could have afforded a fulton , smith enterprise , LMR , i would have gone there in a heartbeat , im very fond of the SE ,

keep in mind if you intend to scope it there is a whole lot more research you need to do ,

check this site out -
http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/

and here -
http://m14tfl.com/upload/

and for the scope mount id look at this -
http://www.sadlak.com/si_rifle_parts_main.html

but i went with the A.R.M.S. mount on mine - i compromised there too


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:37 am 
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I enlisted into the M14 Firing Line. I requested permission to come on board. When they said, "Permission Granted", I immediately felt at home.

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