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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:44 am 
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It was vividly pointed out to me the difference between a shooter and collector. I am and Arisaka shooter I only have 5 of them and have spent more time trying to come up with a decent case for the 6.5 than reading up on them.
I may have passed on some urban legends that I have been told over my 40 plus years shooting arisakas for that I apologize. (after all I was told over and over again that the carcano would put the firing pin back into my head and I always thought that strange that country would use a rifle that dangerous for over 50 years and 2 major world wars)
Since what I wrote was apparently wrong I will quote another web site that says pretty basically what I have been told over the years, there are more sites that same the similar things.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/arisaka/index.asp
"Later versions of the Type 99 may be unsafe to shoot as the quality of the metallurgy began to decline sharply after 1942. The later (1943-45) rifles are often identified as having a fixed notch rear sight instead of the customary folding/sliding leaf sight, no provision for attaching a sliding bolt cover or monopod or mounting an under barrel cleaning rod and the lack of a chrome-plated bore. Check with a qualified gunsmith if unsure."
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl22-e.htm
"Type 99 rifles are generally quoted as very strong rifles, but this refers only to the rifles, made before the late stages of the World war 2. Late-war rifles, sometimes known as Substitute Type 99, or "last ditch" Type 99 rifles, were often made from low grade steel, with no heat treatment and no finish. Many of these rifles were simply dangerous for shooters to fire."
Are these urban myths and how do we identify those which are not safe to shoot?

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I know that one test does not prove much, but it still has something to say. Take a look at this.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=2405/

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Rem, there are inaccuracies in both those links & statements. These myths are something Japanese collectors have been hearing for years. The dropping of the chrome bore is no big deal when you consider that Japan was the only country in WW2 that had a chrome bore (that I know of). The decline in quality was mostly to cut down on the mfg. process & most importantly for the saving of steel. They never stopped the heat treating process & all the rifles had a finish applied, albeit not as nice a finish as they used to have. There's a discussion going on at the Japanese forum on Gunboards right now concerning the heat treating of early/late T-99s. They did reduce the hardness of the receiver but it still stayed above the safety zone. Other misstatements on those links are that the T-2 paratrooper had a monopod - none did. The rare T-100 paretrooper did but the T-2 didn't. Also on the rear sight - I've never seen a fixed V-notch, only fixed peep.
Personally, I've only ever fired one "last ditch" rifle and that was back in the 70's. I tied it to a tire & used a string for several rounds & then shouldered it after I saw there was no problems. Like I said, the only problem I've seen with these is that sometimes the weld that holds the safety stem to the cap cracks. So I don't shoot these - not due to safety concerns but I don't want to damage an historical weapon.
Most of the fear of late weapons was caused by people shooting trainers that sometimes blew up. To the untrained eye many of these look much like the substitute rifles.
Now there is an up side to these myths. The "rope hole" rifle I have coming sold for maybe 1/3 of what it would have went for on a auction site. To the seller it was just another "last ditch" & was priced accordingly 8)
The best thing to do is to get some reference material produced by people that know and study these weapons & not to rely on old jaded material that holds these rifles in low regard.

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