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 Post subject: New-to-me Vetterli
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:29 pm 
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I recently bid on a "Torre Annunziata" rifle and got this Italian Vetterli

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I'm wondering if it is a Vetterli-Vitali or is that just the ones with the short magazine that looks as if it has a steel strap around it?

All the pictures I've seen show a hole in the base of the magazine, so I'm guessing this one isn't missing something, but what is the hole for?

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nice looking rifle , congrats

gotta let someone who actually knows omething of these answer your question ,


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 Post subject: Re: New-to-me Vetterli
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Okay... ** deeeep breath** This rifle was originally a single shot in 10.4x47R caliber. Italy paid a fee to Vitali for the use of his magazine system to make it a repeating rifle. So did the Dutch, but that's the stuff of a separate post.

In the dark days of WW1, Italy was short of rifles for line infantry but something was needed for training & other rear echelon purposes. So. Over 700,000 of the Vetterli-Vitali repeaters had the Vitali magazine removed, the bore drilled out and a 6.5x52 caliber liner soldered in place. A new magazine system was installed, so strictly speaking, it's no longer a Vetterli-Vitali.

The new magazine uses the same clip and ammo as the Carcano. In practice, you open the bolt, stuff in a clip containing 6 rounds and blast away. When the 6th shot is chambered, nothing is left to support the clip and it simply falls from the rifle.

Another is stuffed in from the top, and the shooting continues.

You will see a number of marks on these. On many there is "PP" on the top barrel flat. This means "Interchangable parts". A big deal in those days. On the stock will be a conversion to Vitali cartouche ( which may or may not still be there ) and another showing conversion to 6.5 caliber. This will almost always have "Roma" somewhere in it since nearly all the conversions were done in an artillery facility in Rome.

There can be other marks & I'll try to explain them as best I can.

They are neat old rifles! 8-) SW

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Теперь предлагаем бесплатную ежедневную маммографию!
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Clips are readily available at the on-line gun auctions. Ammo is another matter. I shoot only light cast bullet loads in mine.

So would it detonate on the 1st shot with surplus ammo? Probably not, but it's a gamble.

The system was designed for a low presssure black powder cartridge so the more modern ammo puts a lot of stress on the old steel.

MA is very likely a refurb mark - possibly the mark of a specific armorer. The bottom mark is a new one to me. If you're able to post a pic, please do so.

These wound up in some obscure places like Spain, Russia and East Africa so I'm very interested in it. SW

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The 3rd mark on the top barrel flat has been obliterated which makes it very interesting. Ther middle one is the Cross of Savoy = a standard military mark.

The Brescia Artillery Works cartouche is from the conversion to a Vitali magazine and the other, as mentioned is the conversion to 6.5 caliber.

What about the name you indicated on the bottom of the stock? SW

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Now I see - both are inspector's marks. SW

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Thanks for the info :D

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