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| Author: | NebrHogger [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Look what I found! |
Had a small water leak in the basement and moved a few rifles while resolving the issue. I found these two I had completely forgotton about! Top: Type I made in 1938 for the Jap. Navy Bottom: A PRIMO M38! I forgot how nice this one is!!! A fellow said he wanted to buy it a couple years ago, but I have not heard from him in a long time. I have ammo loaded so off-a to the range with them soon.  SW
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| Author: | KenG [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Look what I found! |
I really like the M38 Fucile corto. They are handy without being too short and the 7.35 cartridge is a good round that does what it was designed to do, kill. Interesting how the Italians were on one hand ahead of the game in some areas(Like the M38 series) and woefully behind in others (Armour in particular). My uncle gave me my first carcano. It was a M38 short rifle sporterized. I replaced everything and got it back to military shape. Ken |
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| Author: | Herr Mario [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Look what I found! |
....WOW...!!! I thought those Type I's were scarce-or at least highly collectable/desirable....only seen 1 in my entire life.... 
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| Author: | NebrHogger [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Look what I found! |
There were around 50,000 made. A lot of folks don't know what they are as there are NO markings other than the serial number. I see people trying to get 350 - 400 for them on the auctions & no takers. Might just be the crappy economy, though. A little more background on them: The Jap. army was heavily committed in China mid-late 30s and took every rifle the Jap. arsenals were producing. "Hey! We need rifles, too!" said the Jap. navy guys. "Go pound sand in a rat hole!" said the army guys. "We have the supply sewed up and that's how the cow chews cabbage! ...neener!  " Or so.  Seems there was a long-standing fued between the Jap. navy & army & neither did the other any favors.... at any time!So the IJN checked around, and their fellow Axis Scum partner, Mussolini was badly in need of $ for oil... and steel... and food - it was a long list. Also to impress uncle Adolph, he grandly offered to supply the IJN with 'all the rifles they needed'. For a price. Well, since Japan was their o-fficial ally, there was a 'discount' applied.  The story continues that these were transported from Italy to Japan in large cargo submarines... I've always been skeptical of that as the IJN pretty well owned the Pacific ocean at that point and there really wasn't a good reason they couldn't have just been hoisted onto some 'Maru' ( freighter) and eastward, ho to Japan. These were issued to IJN Marines & were also supplied to the arms lockers of the bigger ships. Supposedly, they were not popular with the troops as they lacked the chrysanthemum stamped onto the receiver ring. I can't say for sure about that, but you find them either beat to heck ( combat vet ) or VG condition. ( arms locker queen) Some were also used by the troops patrolling the perimeter of the various navy bases around the empire. The rifles left Italy with the stocks unfinished. Italy did not make bayonets, either. These take the standard Type 30 Arisaka bayonet. The IJN also used their own slings - which are sometimes seen for sale still... and are much more expensive than the rifle! If you should find one missing the floorplate, mag spring and follower, use that as a major price bargaining point. Type 38 parts will fit right in & away you go! You will not be so lucky with a cleaning rod. If you see a repro cheep, grab it as it will be quite a while before you see a real one at an affordable price! If anyone here has one, post the letter prefix to the serial #, & I'll reply with which arsenal made it... if I can find my list.  SW
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| Author: | Mybusa [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:57 am ] |
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SW Don't you remember! You were holding that M38 for me, dang I forgot all about it. It's time it got sent home to me. 
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| Author: | Et2ss [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:25 am ] |
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Thot he was holding it for me along with some brass-booooooolits & dies 
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| Author: | Et2ss [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:26 am ] |
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In reality, the perfected M38 would have a modification to it to allow stripper clip loading instead of the packet-clip system. Other than that I think it is a handy carbine!!!! |
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| Author: | NebrHogger [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:38 am ] |
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| Author: | Mybusa [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:40 pm ] |
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| Author: | A square 10 [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:46 pm ] |
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i gotta go home and look in the corners just in case
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| Author: | Herr Mario [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:50 pm ] |
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....all I find in the corners is dust kitties.... 
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| Author: | A square 10 [ Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:40 pm ] |
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and cobwebs
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| Author: | Mybusa [ Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:12 am ] |
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Oh I find guns but they are the projects that I long forgot about and still want to forget about due to the cost to finish! |
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| Author: | Dutch Mosin [ Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Look what I found! |
Wow, great story, especially on the Italian - Japanese rifles. I like the history behind rifles. Makes them extra interesting for me. Thanks for sharing the story and the pictures SW. BTW: I checked upstairs. No water leak.......no guns I forgot all about. Met vriendelijke groet, Martin |
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