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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:32 am 
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First and foremost ,
I want to thank all of you for offering your help
and knowledge .
Obviously I will need to provide some pics so that
you can help me further . As of now the camera that I tried will
not provide good resolution on close up pics. What little markings
that are on the rifle I'm looking at with a magnifying glass .
Until I can borrow a really good camera I will give
you guys what I can describe of the rifle .
1. serial number = P02280
(this is on the left side of the receiver)
2. There is no crest of any kind
3. There are no markings on the side rail
4. It is marked .30 on top (caliber)
5. It has a small C on the left side of the front sight .
6. The rear sight is a double button , marked 3-20
7. Bolt has a small C on the left side.
8. Bolt has small O on the very back .
9. Bolt handle turns down and has 4 | 43 marked on its top
10. Bottom of stock engraved 1819 (the 8 being hard to read)
11. Bottom of stock (in pistol grip area) has a small
B with a circle around it.
12. The right side of stock has what appears to be a flag post
with flag. Within the flag is a small B surrounded with a
diamond .
13. The strap rings would accept 1.5" strap
14. The front strap swivel screws in to the stock
(no retaining screw, it has its own wood screw style threads)
15. It cocks upon opening .
16. The trigger guard has a lock screw that radius's through a large
screw (marked 32 ) than a stud in front of trigger .
Distance from center of large screw to center of stud= 4.88"
Than another large screw behind trigger .
Distance from center of stud in front of trigger to center of
rear screw= 2.95"
17. Barrel length = 23.25 " (dry fired,inserting rod and measuring it)
= 28.625" (muzzle to front of bolt handle)
= 22.625" (muzzle to larger step in front of
receiver )
= 22.375" (muzzle to smaller step in front of
receiver)
18. rifle length = 43.375" (top of butt to top of muzzle)
= 43 " (bottom of butt to bottom of muzzle)


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:32 am 
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:welcome:

Can you tell what kind of stock it has. That is is it a 98k Stock and what kind of wood it is.

Ok its 30 caliber, but have you to tried to see which cartridge it takes. 30-06, 308, 7.65 Belgium etc.
I am not a Mauser person, but I will try to assist.
It cocks on opening so it sounds like a 98 type large ring action, but does it have the third safety lug? Is the diameter of the action where the barrel screws in larger than the rest of the receiver?

Where did you get this and how long ago?
It has capture screws so it must be military. It is probably German or Czech made.

One pic worth 1000 words. :crzy: :crzy: :crzy:

After a little research. The Israelis converted a large number of mausers to 308, but most if not all were marked "7.62" on the top of the receiver.
The Spanish also made and or converted a lot of mausers to 30 cal. It might be one of these.

Are there any import markings on the barrel near the front sight?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:03 am 
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First :welcome:

It sounds like it may South American and in 30-06 as they marked theirs with a 30 and some on rear bridge and a notch in the rear of front ring.

If your camera has the flower on it that is the setting for closeups. A picture definitely would be worth a 1000 words.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:38 pm 
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No markings on barrel by sight . The stock to me, being a newbie to mausers looks like the gew . Same dark wood and pistol grip .

I got the rifle from my great grandfather over 20 years ago . It has just been stored. I have not gone hunting or shot for about the same time period . Recently my girlfriend's son has really gotten into guns . I bought him a Red Rider a few years back . He demonstrated interest and safety so it was time to move on . We did some CO2 stuff and than I got my .22 out . Within all this the guns I have all came out and got cleaned . Good thing, they were starting to get some rust . Now I took him to a range a couple times and became mauser curious about the rifle.

When I got the rifle I also got some ammo that is marked DEN 43 and DEN 44.

Looking up the head code , .30-06 .

Took a chance , it loads into the rifle, fits the magazine and ejects .

I have come across a site that explained rings . My distance between screws is 7.83" . Making it a "large ring "


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:16 pm 
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until the better camera


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:17 pm 
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until better camera


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:19 pm 
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better camera to come


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:32 pm 
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Herrmesser,
This ones all yours. Have fun :bigrin:

MC,
Aside from the make. Be sure to clean the barrel and check the bore. If it was your great grandfathers some ammo fired in it could have been corrosive. Even American boxer primers were corrosive at one time. Patches dampened with water will readily dissolve the salts, but this may be unnecessary if the bore looks clean. I would be curious as to what the bore looks like.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:47 pm 
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MC,
I just checked several sources. The Din 43 and 44 is WWII armor piercing ammo and is corrosive. It is probably better not to fire it and sell it to a collector (the boxes may be more valuable than the cartridges.

If you do clean the bore with water/detergent
be sure to dry and oil it afterwards.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:00 pm 
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I read the same thing that the ammo is corrosive . I also saw it for sale at $3.25 a bullet . I would rather just buy some new ammo to use .
Suggestions on what to purchase ?

and on a side note ....What is the difference between .30-06 and .30-06 springfield ?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:29 pm 
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MC,
It is the same cartridge. Originally developed as a military cartridge for the 1903 Springfield rifle at the arsenal. The original cartridge was the 30-03 and was modified in 1906 to updated standards. Hence 30 (for 30 caliber) aught 6 (for 1906) The rifles and barrels were modified to reflect these changes.

The 30-06, 308, and 223 Remington all started life as military cartridges and the public adopted them for hunting etc.

There are some differences in the commercial
loadings and military loadings of the 308 and 223. That is why the military 308 is called the 7.62 Nato. and the 223 Remington is called the 5.56 Nato.
They are loaded to higher pressures and the barrels generally have longer throat leads. It is not always safe to fire the later two military cartridges in commercial rifles unless they have been specifically modified or cleared to fire them.

I am not aware of any differences in specifications of the military 30-06 and the commercial round other than the miltary is M2 ball standard, some armor piercing,and tracer.
The choice of ammunition depends upon what you are shooting and how deep your pockets are. ;)


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:35 pm 
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For now, targets at a range . Pockets are shallow now also . Thanks for all the knowledge , it is appreciated .


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:43 pm 
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You can find 30-06 just about anywhere. A 150 grain bullet is suitable as is 168, 175 grains. You may be able to find surplus ammo on the net or locally or at gun shows.
It used to be cheap, but with the increase in copper/brass prices can be high as with just about any caliber. About the only cheaper ammo is the steel cased Russian, Czech, and other European stuff.
Good luck hope it has helped.

P.S. a lot of forum users roll their own and use cast bullets at reduced velocity. This is a lot more economical and has less recoil. Cast bullets can be a lot of plinking fun as there is no flench factor and noise is much reduced.
I sounds however that for the present this is not a consideration.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:30 am 
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You got some good info over on Gunboards. I see the stock has been cut down and if I am seeing right the bolt has been bent for possibly a scope.

I'm not all that knowledgeable but I do know enough to sometimes get me in trouble.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Getting an education and it is appreciated . My gun is of no value and I know it but I have become very interested in its history and mausers in general .


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:10 am 
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Then you might want to get some books on Mausers. A good one to cover a lot of Mausers is "Mauser Military Rifles of the World by Robert Ball". They are available on Amazon.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:19 pm 
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I bought that book . To be honest , kind of disapointed . Things that seem to be specific are not . Do you have any other suggestions? There has to be more specific info because you guys all seem to know more than what is in this book .


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:47 pm 
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There is "Mauser Bolt Rifles by Olsen".

And "Backbone of the Wehrmacht by Law".

There are others but you might have to dig for them.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:57 pm 
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Thanks , I will check those out .


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:58 pm 
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