Yesterday's Weapons Forums

at the range i was near to a person i know to be a reloader , we dont know each other well at all so im reluctant to interupt him when he is shooting and recording data etc at the range ,

mostly i said hello/goodby , and in between complimented his nagant revolver , and comented i had one but hadnt shot it for lack of ammo ,

knowing so little about reloading i seldom make small talk about any of the details of it with foplks i dont know well - and those that know my level of understanding or lack thereof

anyway - this fellow is shooting the nagant , when hes done he loads up and is leaving , i notice a small zip lock bag with maybe 9 or 10 rounds in it on the table next to the one he was using , he was spread out over a couple as there wasnt many on the range that day ,

he is halfway to his car , i called to him and offered to bring them over to him and he said thanks - why dont you keep them , so i say thank you , didnt look at them and threw them into my bag ,

anyway - this noon i came accross them while cleaning things up ,

well the bag says -
-win primer ,
-2.4 gr trail boss ,
-???? [looks like 9Lgr RM]
-90gr WC

the brass case says -
-R.P / 25-20 WIN

there are more in the bag than i thought , and in looking at them there are two versions ,

one looks like a standard lead flat nosed wad cutter bullet , projecting 5mm

*the other [the curious one] looks like the bullet was seated backwards , the projection is 3mm and the projectile is essentialy straight sided [and knurled] with the top slightly recessed and slightly domed

why would this be done ? - or - am i looking at a cast bullit that is purpose made ? are these safe ? would they function correctly if installed backwards ?

ill try to shoot a photo and post it .........

here are the photos -

Looks perfectly okay to me. I use a wadcutter for my Nagant ammo, too.

I have loaded hollow base wadcutters backwards in 38 cases before. You get some serious expansion that way! SW

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I was watching some programing on the Military channel the other day about WWI. The snipers shooting from trench to trench were protected by a steel plate with a plate that swung back over the opening. This protected them very well from return fire until a couple of our boys started pulling the bullets out of their 3006 rounds and putting them back in backwards. This did not have great effect on accuracy but the really cool thing (unless you are the enemy sniper) was that on impact with the steel plate it would cause spalling of the plate with the resulting shrapnel having its way with the guy behind it.

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cool , somehow i figured id be told it would work but accuracy would be ruined ,

next question , is the 25-20 correct for the nagant revolver ? i had it in the back of my ming that the sugested round was S&W 32long ? or 32 H&R ? is a 25-20 the same size [perhaps a bit longer than the S&W 32long ?]

25-20 would work. In fact, the first Lee dies were set up to make Nagant cases from 32-20. I'd think it would be a pain to make Nagant cases from 25-20, but maybe the guy found some for cheep. SW

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I don't have a Nagant, but if he was using them in the Nagant, maybe the backwards ones would allow the cylinder to turn, while the others were too long and prevented cylinder rotation?

It looks like the flat end bullet is a dedicated double end wadcutter. That's what I use in mine. I've looked at this thread a few times & should dig mine out tomorrow. Go burn a little ammo up. Not that it's good for much - a very wimpy round.

The original 7.62 Nagant brass was longer than 32-20 brass, so you can seat bullets quite a ways out & still get proper cylinder function. No gas seal, though. SW

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i have to apoligise to sweed on this - they came from him , ive confused them with the other guys that i cant find - its hell to get old.................

i had thought there were only 6-12 cartriges in the bag [and this one has a bunch more than that , should have tipped me off DUH

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thanks , i hope you are correct , i feel pretty dumb at the moment

It's not that big a deal Asquare. I just hope when I get your age this is the worst thing that I do.

me too - i look up to you , dont want to get dilusional in my older years

or was that disallusioned ?