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Author: | NebrHogger [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: ...am I right in my guess on this photo??? |
Austrians? I'm not sure the camo pattern is German. I really like my Canon scanner - you can crank up the DPI resolution for good enlargements. SW |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: ...am I right in my guess on this photo??? |
Sure looks like it - air force? SW |
Author: | Herr Mario [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:05 pm ] |
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....dunno...when I first came across it I thought it was an old portrait of some usher from a fancy movie theater from back in those days... |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: ...am I right in my guess on this photo??? |
It was a guess on my part since the man above appears to have luftwaffe collar tabs. SW |
Author: | Herr Mario [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:28 pm ] |
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...yeah-if I did my research right he was a Feldwebel....Luftwaffe sergeant....but the Italian fella,not sure....I pass that off-a to you to figger out... ....but I'm fairly sure those other guys are German POW's-likely former since they released them-'cept fer the real bad guys....those caps have GOT to be German...but why he was chummin' up and bein buds escapes me... |
Author: | Herr Mario [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:49 pm ] |
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....ah-HA...!!!....I think I got it...!!!....Google-Fu does it again...!!! ....started lookin into German Camo patterns for WW2 and found this-go toward bottom of site...it fits perfectly since this is in Italy and they have German caps.... ..."TELO MIMETICO" pattern...(but could also be "Sumpfmuster44 pattern) ....read the description and look at the pattern ....I'm layin my money they are krauts... http://www.artizandesigns.com/guides/germanpatterns.pdf ....also czech out the pics on this search....some match perfectly... http://www.google.com/search?q=ww2+germ ... 00&bih=756 |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:01 pm ] |
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Yup. There's a lot I don't know about German militaria. But I'm coloring a couple chapters on the topic! SW |
Author: | eliculpepper [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:46 pm ] |
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Great stuff!! Are those kraut paratrooper pants? |
Author: | A square 10 [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:34 pm ] |
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i learn more here by accident , thanks for posting that , i think they were germans too |
Author: | Et2ss [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:50 pm ] |
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M43 caps and Italian camo uniforms. Prolly Waffen SS troops, it was a commandeered pattern by them in 1943. First used by SS Panzer troops then spread to other SS units. Factories produced almost every uniform item in this pattern. It was a favorite among senior officers. The picture below is of General Kurt 'Panzer' Meyer sporting his custom tailored "Italienisches Tarnmuster". |
Author: | ReinhardH [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:44 am ] |
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I know nothing about the camo stuff, but it certainly looks like your father-in-law is completely surrounded by KRAUTS ... and btw the guy with the triple wings on the collar tabs is definitely Luftwaffe. As far as what part of 'Großdeutschland' (Greater Germany) the guys in the armed services came from, there may have been a formula early in the war (such as with the Gebirgs troops guys who primarily came from mountain areas), but late in the war, who served in what unit didn't matter ... they were all eventually mixed together from all parts of the Reich for one reason or another. Even early in the war in 1942 during dad's basic armorer training with his mountain unit the armorer trainees via the toolmaker trade came from every part of what was then the German Reich (Sudeten Germans, Germans and Austrians), and wound up serving with the 3rd Mountain Division in Russia. Same goes for when he was at the weapons school in Berlin, and then afterwards with the units he served with in the west to the end of the war. Was there really a hard rule that said camo uniforms automatically meant they were SS, and plain uniforms automatically meant Heer? Best I know is that the Heer troops had the eagle over one of the front tunic pockets, and the SS wore the eagle on the tunic left upper sleeve ... and if in doubt, there was always that blood type tatoo to check for somewhere around either armpit |
Author: | Et2ss [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:56 pm ] |
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Army and Waffen had entirely different procurement systems in place. To the best of my knowledge the Heer had used Splinter. Started with the zeltbahn and then onto uniform items The fallschirmjäger had used the splinter as well as 'Tan and Water' pattern on their jump smocks. The Heer may have limited use of the later pattern The Waffen SS had a plethora of camo, patterns (enough to have several reference books on the variety). The cut of their uniforms were different from Heer as well. Even had different number of buttons and belt hanger placement was different. After all remember these were 'Police' units not standard military. And also not all SS had the tattoo either. I think that may have been more for the Allgemeine SS. There were many conscripted foreigners in various Waffen SS units. More so later in the war. My grandfather was one of them. He was conscripted into of the Waffen Kavallerie Division after they evacuated German people (Donauschwaben) from Hungary during the siege of Budapest. |
Author: | ReinhardH [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:09 am ] |
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Great info, thanks for posting … I just had lunch today with an old frat buddy who's mom was a 'Donauschwab' from Hungary. So far no luck here in Klumbis finding a place that knows anything about what good Gulaschsuppe is Plenty 'Volksdeutsche' all over southern Europe and along the Danube into eastern Europe and the Ukraine and beyond paid one h*lluva price as a result of that disgusting war. Dad recently told me that while with the 3.Gebirgs during the retreat from near Stalingrad and back through the Ukraine, there were entire towns they passed through where everyone spoke only German. Practically all of my parents' friends here when I was a kid were Germans from East Prussia, Schlesien, Alsace, Bohemia, Slovenia, Croatia.. of whatever those folks experienced during and after the war, little to nothing was shared with any of us, their kids. All I know is that two taboo topics in my home were politics and religion. As for the prisoners in the photo, maybe also possible that they were from South Tirol (Südtirol), pretty much where the pics were taken? Talk about people who were hung up and left out to dry in the wind … South Tirol was a province where the population was historically of Austrian-German ethnicity - those folks got thoroughly screwed over, not just once, but twice, during the early 20th century .. first after WWI when the province was handed over to Italy via the armistice, then again after 1933 thanks to the führer because he and il duce were political buddies. Any wonder that some of them may have sided with the Germans in hopes it would give their people a chance to preserve their family property and their heritage? Plenty 'Südtiroler Siedlungen' (South Tirolean Settlements) were established for the refugees in towns all over Austria to incorporate the displaced into the local populations. |
Author: | Herr Mario [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:12 pm ] |
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....in conversations over the years,my father has as much verified much of what you've said...you may have the chance to meet him and ask him yourself later this year... |
Author: | ReinhardH [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:18 pm ] |
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Cool!! Looking forward to meeting your father! As for the guy with the rope for a belt, your guess is as good as mine as to his story .. apparently he's comfortable hanging out with that group, so most likely he wasn't an 'enemy' of either side.. Little doubt, though, that the other four guys around Ed in the first two pics with the field caps and camo trousers are from some German unit .. too bad the insignias on their caps aren't clear .. if they were wearing their tunics, the collar tabs & shoulderboards & eagle patches etc might tell more. Did very many SS units even serve in Italy? .. check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_divisions |
Author: | Et2ss [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:30 pm ] |
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1st SS Panzerkorps Leibstandarte SS and the 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS A little over 35,000 men |
Author: | shuvelrider [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:19 pm ] |
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You have to remember near the end of the war in those regions, Germans were more than happy to surrender to the Americans for better treatment as compared to getting caught by the Russians. A lot of them were also glad to have the war over and maybe get back to a normal life, they wern't all hardcore fanatics either. |
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