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 Post subject: Ethnic conflict
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:21 pm 
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While posted to Cam Lo, I stood daytime watch occasionally and had a good view of the goings on around that place mostly related to the open air market. Besides the Vietnamese who lived in Cam Lo, a few km away was a community of H'mong. I'm by no means an ethnologist, but they were clearly a separate ethnic group from other Vietnamese. Much higher cheek bones for one thing.

They seemed to be a very close knit community not unlike a tribe. They all dressed in similar fashion - women wore a turban and a long wrap around skirt that reached from their waist to their ankles. By way of individuality, they wore such jewelry around their necks & in their ears and nose as each deemed stylish.

Around their waist was a cord or light strap used to hold a small machete. I don't recall if they wore any kind of sandals... I don't believe they did. The memory that they went bare breasted clearly remains, though.

Also common to the women was the small clay pipe they held in their mouth with the bowl upside down. As well as I know, they smoked the vile-smelling weed that passed for tobacco in that part of the country.

The men worked as mercenary scouts - mostly for American special forces. Their usual dress was cast-off uniform bits with little regard where it originated. They were most often gone, leaving the women to raise income by cutting brush they made into charcoal they sold at the open air market.

North of Cam Lo and north of Rte 9 was a "free fire zone", meaning anyone seen was fair game to be shot on sight. But while on patrol if we saw H'mong women chopping brush, they weren't fired upon because their presence was a good sign the enemy wasn't around.

They would chop brush for most of the day, and each woman would carry an impossibly large bundle back to their village for conversion to charcoal. When they had a sufficient quantity, that would be carried to market in immense burlap bags... strapped on their backs.

It was quite a sight to see the women trudging along, stoically bearing their load and smoking their small clay pipes. Even what appeared to be young girls smoked. Actually the crowd en route the market was predominately young. I imagined the older women remained behind to watch camp and occasionally stir the rice.

Also watching the procession were Vietnamese children of the village, but they weren't interested in cultural differences - they were out to start trouble. For some reason there was a lot of racial tension between the Vietnamese and H'mong.

When the H'mong women reached Cam Lo within sight of our post, the Vietnamese kids would begin heckling them - mostly by cursing and shouting racial epithets. (calling them monkeys was a popular insult) Being used to such things, the women methodically plodded along, largely ignoring the young boys.

Hoping to further anger the women, the boys would also spit at them or throw rocks.

This was when things got interesting. Many of the boys seemed interested in having the rocks they threw strike one of the women or girls on a breast which was no doubt quite painful. If so struck, the women would occasionally respond by throwing rocks at the boys... which could turn into a vicious brawl with Vietnamese mothers joining in.

On one occasion I noticed a girl who appeared to be a teen ager walking on the side of the road closest to the hecklers. Barefoot, she carried a large burlap bag of charcoal which had her bent at the waist to keep her balance. I don't know if one of the boys - who didn't appear to be a teen ager - meant to snatch the skirt from her waist to impress watching Americans or steal her machete, but he darted toward her with arm outstretched.

With the reflexes of a cat, the girl caught the boy's arm, holding so tightly he couldn't pull away. She then shrugged off her load of charcoal, threw the boy to the ground and began beating him.

And I mean it was an unmerciful beating! Pinning both his arms to the ground with her knees, she fiercely struck every part of his face with her clenched fists. The other women had stopped to gather around her, calmly smoking their pipes and appearing to offer advice on how best to cause the little idiot more pain.

One must have suggested she put a finger in his eye because that's what she seemed to do. The boy's reaction of screeching like a branded monkey also indicated that. With such pain and that the girl was becoming tired from administrating the beating, the boy was able to squirm free and dashed away like the proverbial 'pin striped primate'.

Other boys must have gone into the village to report the matter for here came several mothers, and then the fight was on! Hearing the commotion, our Lt came out to see what was up.

"No matter what happens, do NOT interfere, and lock the gate!"

Village police soon appeared to sort things out, and it took a lot of time to restore calm. Eventually, the H'mong girls shouldered their bags of charcoal and on to the market they went.

I didn't stand day watch too often and don't know what happened the next day. I have heard of such brawls that ended in gunfire when H'mong men appeared to even the playing field.

To this day I've no idea what caused such racial animosity. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Ethnic conflict
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:35 pm 
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thanks for this bit of education , i had heard of such things from friends but they seldom knew how things turned out just observed such in passing ,


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 Post subject: Re: Ethnic conflict
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I found some pics to illustrate the narrative above. They were under the category "Montagnards" rather than H'mong.

So were Montagnards & H'mong the same? I can't tell you. I do know the former is a French term. All I can say is I recall them as H'mong. But my memory isn't too sharp on a good day, and it's been a few years... So call them what you like.

Notice the woman with pipe also has teeth & gums stained black from chewing betel nut. It was a common habit that rotted their teeth completely away.

Also shown is a Montagnard mercenary in loin cloth. Notice he carries an M3 grease gun with extra magazines. A true warrior.

But these pics show how they dressed every day. SW

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 Post subject: Re: Ethnic conflict
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Thanks for posting. Great read and pics.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethnic conflict
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Based on what I can remember of my ethno-anthropology(this is a very very superficial information) the Hmong people are genetically grouped from south China region and were eventually driven south by being different enough for the Qin Dynasty to decide to persecute. They spread in what essentially became tribal groups across SE Asia. I am guessing that the Vietnamese didn't like them because they were different like the Montagnards were so received similar treatment.
agin if memory is correct the Montagnard people are indigenous to the central highlands while the majority of the Vietnamese people were from the lowlands and considered them ethnically inferior and were often treated like the American Indians during our frontier expansion.


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