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Author: | kanister [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Hi 5th, you know that MIDA (Manifattura Italiana d'Armi), Toschi-Castelli, N e V Castelli, were the same factory that changed name during the years. |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Grazie, Kanister! I have seen them all - I think Toschi Castelli was on a flare gun. SW |
Author: | kanister [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
The chronology of the factory was: - from about 1911: "Toschi e Castelli", by Napoleone Castelli and Giuseppe Toschi; - from 1915 "MIDA" belonging to the same persons; - after the dead of G.Toschi on 1918 entered Vittorio Castelli, so the name became "Napoleone e Vittorio Castelli" The brand "MIDA" was nevertheless utilized sometime till 1958. |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Here's a better image of the diamond-shaped deactivation mark - farthest to the right. All the others are German OCD about marking proof test results. Which turned out to not be needed since it's a "deko" now. In Europe, holes are drilled in the barrel & it's considered demilled. The barrel is considered the "heart of the gun" there - not the receiver. SW mark4 (660x339).jpg [ 162.5 KiB | Viewed 17695 times ] |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Here's another headspace correction bolt - a #1. According to my notes, FP is for F Pedrotti. I am not able to say why all headspace correction bolts I've seen are marked with FP. Possibly that company machined them to the right tolerance. Could FP mean something else? The possibility exists. SW mark5.jpg [ 62.89 KiB | Viewed 17688 times ] |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
This is a clear drawing of the "Crusader shield" navy mark. The segments are for different districts and units. SW mark7.jpg [ 80.76 KiB | Viewed 17672 times ] |
Author: | kanister [ Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Yes, I saw his comments on another site. It seems to make sense, though. Do you have another idea about the marks? SW |
Author: | kanister [ Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Toschi Castelli made flare guns and Bodeo revolvers. This is not a common Bodeo maker. Toschi passed away in 1916. SW mark8.jpg [ 85.1 KiB | Viewed 17646 times ] |
Author: | kanister [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Grazie! I'll put that in my notes! SW |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Here's a translation of the information Kanister found relating to the Crusader Shield navy marks. (Translated by Raphael Riccio). The Italian word 'punzone' translates as punch. We can substitute stamp or die for that word. SW Rules for assigning and use of acceptance punches: Each Naval Engineering and Naval Armaments Office had to maintain a register of who was assigned and authorized to use the acceptance punches. Each inspector was assigned four punches, only one of which was to be used on a daily basis. Punches would be exchanged on a periodic or aperiodic basis. When not in use the punches were kept under lock and key, and access was strictly controlled. Punches were issued in series. Inspectors had to keep a register of all material the marked with the acceptance punches on a daily basis. When punches broke or wore out they were destroyed and replaced by a new punch. b2.jpg [ 8.59 KiB | Viewed 17619 times ] b3.jpg [ 34.01 KiB | Viewed 17619 times ] b4.jpg [ 7.85 KiB | Viewed 17619 times ] |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Time to talk about this mark again since I found a clear example. CE and AC are believed to be Italian marks put on Austrian rifles received as reparations for WW1. Possibly for those captured during the war, as well. Shown is a cut down Steyr M.95 long rifle. The mark is believed to be an armorer's certification the rifle is fit for issue. There is speculation ( no actual proof) that these are inspector's initials. In conversation with collectors, rifles so marked are most often seen in connection with Italian colonies. While this information isn't chiseled in stone, I'll leave it up pending further discussion. SW k2.jpg [ 69.17 KiB | Viewed 17610 times ] k3.jpg [ 32.47 KiB | Viewed 17610 times ] k2.jpg [ 29.98 KiB | Viewed 17610 times ] Here's a link to Italian marks found on Austrian rifles. http://www.hungariae.com/Mann95It.htm |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Thu May 01, 2014 11:18 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks | ||
Here's another variation showing how a Carcano was rechambered to 6,5 Mannlicher. I'm not sure who did this one - possibly Greece in their civil war. SW **ETA** Discussed the matter with HairyGreek, and he says it could also have been done commercially.
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Author: | NebrHogger [ Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
Here's a mark on a Bodeo I've never seen before. FAR isn't the maker - it's a refurb mark. Fabbrica d'Armi... I'm guessing Roma. Roma refurbed rifles in the 1920s so they might also have refurbed a few Bodeos. Thank you for the information, kanister!! SW bode1.jpg [ 437.12 KiB | Viewed 17700 times ] |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
This is an uncommonly sharp Terni stock cartouche from 1911. You just never see them this nice. SW mark7.jpg [ 97.67 KiB | Viewed 17692 times ] |
Author: | NebrHogger [ Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Uncommon marks |
This one is unknown. It seems too neatly struck to be bubba's work. I'll leave it up hoping for ID later on. SW marking7.jpg [ 84.19 KiB | Viewed 17694 times ] |
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